The DShK was used throughout the Red Army but it wasn't as common as the 7.62 mm Degtyarev or the Maxim. The myth began in US weapons intelligence manuals referring to the DShK as being "12.7mm (.51-caliber)" and the assumption made that this was intentional to accommodate interchangeable ammunition. It is noteworthy for employing an unusual manifold breech block design containing three side-folding ‘sub-blocks’ (see Jane’s 2014 for details of operation). All Rights Reserved. As an anti-aircraft weapon it was mounted on pintle and tripod mounts, and on a triple mount on the GAZ-AA truck. other recently-produced Russian arms and munitions were identified, 3-part horizontal side-folding breech block, 10 rd sections, with 50 rd linked belt ready to use, Folding tangent leaf, graduations from 2 (200 m) to 20 (2000 m). In addition to the Soviet Union and Russia, the DShK has been manufactured under license by a number of countries, including the People's Republic of China (Type 54), Pakistan, and Romania. The requirement for a heavy machine gun appeared in 1929. The 12.7×108mm cartridge is a 12.7 mm heavy machine gun and anti-materiel rifle cartridge used by the former Soviet Union, the former Warsaw Pact, modern Russia, China and other countries. Type 54: Chinese unlicensed production. This video shows the DShK, NSV and Kord heavy machine guns. Today, the Kord series has replaced the venerable 1970s-era "NSV" series in frontline use (itself a replacement for the World War 2-era ubiquitous DShK series) with Russian military forces and has been featured in a variety of roles throughout its relatively short career to date. 2km for ground targets The 12.7×108mm has 22.72 ml (350 grains) H2O cartridge case capacity. For assistance with identification of arms and munitions you can get in touch with ARES at: armsID@armamentresearch.com. In C.I.P. Needless to say, the presence of this weapon would be a significant indicator with regards to the supply of SALW to separatists in eastern Ukraine. From what i hear (I’ve never fired .50 BMG, not out of a rifle, not out of the MA DEUCE) the Browning is the perfect anti-aircraft, anti-material, (and despite what technicalities would define it as) anti-personnel weapon system. 1940년때 사용한 DShK 1938 ... 특이하게도 Kord는 12.7mm탄을 사용하는 중기관총임에도 불구하고, 양각대와 개머리판을 붙여 일반적인 기관총처럼 운용할 수 있게 설계되었다. Enter Georgy Shpagin. The weapon was also used as a heavy infantry machine gun, in which case it was frequently deployed with a two-wheeled mounting and a single-sheet armour-plate shield. The DShK (Degtyaryova-Shpagina Krupnokaliberny, Degtyaryov-Shpagin Large-Calibre) is a Russian Heavy Machine Gun. In June 1988, during the conflict in Northern Ireland known as "the Troubles", a British Army Westland Lynx helicopter was hit 15 times by two Provisional IRA DShKs smuggled in from Libya, and forced to crash-land near Cashel Lough Upper, south County Armagh. The Soviet Army began looking for a new heavy machine gun to replace its older SGM and DShK machine guns in the early 1950s. However, as was briefly mentioned in the latest ARES report, this particular identification proved to be in error. Neither round is interchangeable, with their case length and head (cartridge base) dimensions completely different and will not chamber or function in the other weapon. Kord is depicted as a hugely muscular man with a red beard and long red hair. In 1946, the DShK 1938/46 or DShKM (M for modernized) version was introduced. [16], DShKs were also used in 2004, against British troops in Al-Amarah, Iraq. Other images from Vitaly V Kuzmin and zonawar.ru. Americans would define the shoulder angle at alpha/2 ≈ 18.16 degrees. ... Soviet era 12.7mm DShK heavy machine guns, recoilless rifles, and all sorts. On the right, in front of the gunner, was a large "spider" sight that contained a line of small metal rings running from the center to the outer edge. A new rotating bolt operating system was designed, resulting in reduced recoil and increased accuracy (and probably increased reliability) over its predecessor. Additionally the gas system has been changed and the muzzle baffle redesigned. The Russian ammunition is 12.7×108mm and the US is 12.7×99mm. 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The DShk has been almost entirely in Russia by modern designs such as the NSV and Kord. However, there are diagnostic features of these types that should be visible either to first-hand observers, or indeed in a variety of photographic angles. The DShK has a maximum range of 2,500 meters – but the M2 can reach out to 6,800. 12.7×108 maximum cartridge dimensions.All sizes in millimetres (mm). These fundamental design changes resulted in a very different receiver that retains common external features only where necessary for compatibility with existing NSV mounts and accessories. While the .50 BMG round is 12.7x99mm, the DShK round is a 12.7x108mm round. © Copyright 2016 by Armament Research Services Pty. [17], In the 2012 Syrian civil war, the Syrian government said rebels used the gun mounted on cars. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Learn how your comment data is processed. KORD is the best heavy machine gun in the world. Degtyarev Plant JSC, Kovrov. Left side view of a Kord HMG on tripod mount. Black polyamide furniture may be more advanced than wood or bakelite, but it is to be found on both types depending upon date of production, and could conceivably be retrofitted to older receivers. Late in the war, it was mounted on the cupolas of IS-2 tanks and ISU-152 self-propelled guns. The Kord is, by design, a product-improved NSV. And as noted, the fireball is AWESOME! This mistake was an easy one to make, because the two weapons are, externally at least, remarkably similar and difficult to tell apart without access to internal components or visible designation markings. The detachable barrel system was retained, but much of the mechanical design was abandoned. This page was last edited on 5 January 2021, at 06:12. If the Kord is not being used outside of the whole mobility role, it might as well be replaced by a heavier platform for superior stability. Georgy Shpagin later implemented a belt mount for the DK, and thus, the DShK was born. The available writing suggests production was in the low thousands for much of World War II and the DShK’s ideal role was an anti-aircraft gun mounted on a collapsible tripod. As an infantry heavy support weapon it used a two-wheeled trolley which unfolded into a tripod for anti-aircraft use, similar to the mount developed by Vladimirov for the 1910 Maxim gun. According to guidelines the 12.7×108mm case can handle up to 360 MPa (52,213 psi) piezo pressure. We lit up a truck from just under 2300m away and the M2 and DShK were going thru the doors and cab but not the hull on the tank in back. Ulaanbaatar. Shpagin developed a belt feed mechanism to fit to the DK giving rise, in 1938, to the adoption of the gun as the DShK 1938. Data from world.guns.ru, and Jane’s Infantry Weapons 2013-2014. Those supplemented the DShK (pronounced “dish-kuh”) heavy machine gun that had started entering service in 1938 – five years after the M2 was adopted by the United States. Note in particular the riveting down the side of the receiver. The true diagnostic features of the Kord are in the receiver, most evidently its left side, where there is a marked absence of rivets on the forward portion (see the image below). Thus, the DsHK’s 75-pound weight blossomed to 346 pounds once its own two-wheeled trolley was included. It was invented in 1934 to create a cartridge like the German 13.2mm TuF anti-tank rifle round and the American .50 Browning Machine Gun round. Nevertheless, the DShK is still one of … Untrained observers frequently confuse superficially similar small arms and light weapon (SALW) systems, particularly with the pressure of covering a current conflict. Nevertheless, the DShK is still one of the most widely used heavy machine guns. 4. https://informnapalm.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/121.jpg, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKsrNIiWIAAoJ_L.jpg, Your email address will not be published. The US 50 is awesome, but the DShK has a much heavier sound and muzzle blast because of the break. This elephant round was introduced to kill British tanks that were just then starting to lumber about in No Man’s Land. A number of differences are apparent from examination of photographs, yet some of the more obvious are not actually definitive and may result in misidentification. The older of the two designs, it is currently known to be manufactured by Metallist JSC and Kaspex, both based in Kazakhstan. These features should prove diagnostic in most situations. The Kord HMG is seen on T-90 MBTs in "SOLDIER BRAT" and "JAMAL". This became the standard Soviet heavy machine gun in World War II. In 1921 the US Army, with a little help from John Browning, developed the 12.7x99mm BMG round in response, known and loved today as the ’50-cal.’ The Army, however did not have a gun t… Currently, it has been mostly replaced in favour of the more modern NSV and Kord designs. Your email address will not be published. It is often referred to as the "Dushka", meaning "dear" or "sweetie" in Russian. It is produced in Russia by V.A. The DShK was used throughout the Red Army but it wasn’t as common as the 7.62 mm Degtyarev or the Maxim. Ltd. except when noted otherwise. The original name of the .50 Caliber Machine Gun is the M2 Browning. By contrast, no bipod appears to have been designed for use with the older NSV; instead, it uses heavier mounting systems like the 6T7 tripod. The M2 Machine Gun or Browning .50 Caliber Machine Gun is a heavy machine gun designed towards the end of World War I by John Browning. Attention: ----- All footage/clips and music are the property of their respective owners/creators. This version entered production in the late 1930s as the (Degtyaryov-Shpagin) DShK 1938. Kord is sometimes depicted by his urbanized faithful as a more civilized athlete or wrestler. Right side view of a Kord on a bipod mount. However, the changes made were far more extensive than the better-documented alterations of, say, PK to PKM, or even AK to AKM. It is seen in Call of Duty: Black Ops, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3, Call of Duty: Black Ops II, Call of Duty: Ghosts,, Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare and Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War. Designing finished in 1938, and the DShK was adopted by the Soviet Army in the same year as the standard HMG. In 1946, the DShK 1938/46 or DShKM (M for modernized) version was introduced. It took its name from the weapons designers Vasily Degtyaryov, who designed the original weapon, and Georgi Shpagin, who improved the cartridge feed mechanism. It went into wide use in Soviet-supplied countries. The design of the NSV Utes (Утес; ‘Cliff’) dates back to 1969 and the weapon is named for inventors: Nikitin, Sokolov, and Volkov. It claimed to have destroyed, on the same day, 40 such cars on a highway in Aleppo and six in Dael.[18]. A replacement was commissioned, apparently with some leeway in design specification, because the entirely new team (Obidin, Bogdanov, and Zhiryokin) created a rather different design retaining little of the original weapon’s internal workings. [15] It was also mounted in vehicle turrets, for example, in the T-40 light amphibious tank. Today, it has been mostly replaced in favour of the more modern NSV and Kord designs. Its design is similar to Browning's earlier M1919 Browning machine gun, which was chambered for the .30-06 cartridge. In some examples, the sight was installed with the loader's sight on the right. The DShK 1938 (ДШК, for Дегтярёва-Шпагина Крупнокалиберный, Degtyaryova-Shpagina Krupnokaliberny, "Degtyaryov-Shpagin Large-Calibre") is a Soviet heavy machine gun with a V-shaped "butterfly" trigger, firing the 12.7×108mm cartridge. By comparison, the 84-pound M2 increased only to 138 pounds mounted on a … In the waning days of the First World War, German designers modified their successful MG08 7.92x57mm Maxim Gun to fire a larger 13mm cartridge for use in tanks and aircraft. The gunner would then sight through one of the metal rings based on the estimated range and speed. In addition to the Soviet Union and Russia, the DShK has been manufactured under license by a number of countries, including the People's Republic of China (Type 54), Pakistan, and Romania. DShK MG made by UM Cugir on display at Expomil '05. M2 Browning. regulated countries every rifle cartridge combo has to be proofedat 125% of this maximum CIP pressure to certify … A report from June this year claimed to have identified the relatively modern ‘Kord’ heavy machine gun (HMG), ostensibly in Russian service only, in the hands of pro-Russian separatists. Whilst the traditional conical flash-hider of the NSV is not likely to be seen on the Kord, some examples of the NSV feature one of two Kord-style muzzle brakes, an earlier cylindrical pattern, and the flat, chambered design in production currently. Requirements for a heavy machine gun appeared in 1929; the first weapon of its type was the DK machine gun designed by Vasily Degtyaryov; it performed poorly, with a paltry magazine size of only 30 rounds in a drum magazine and a low rate of fire. Kord The location of NSV production, in Kazakhstan, presented a problem for the Russian armed forces following the break-up of the Soviet Union. Many DShKs intended for the close anti-aircraft role were fitted with a simple mechanical sighting system that helped the gunner properly account for "lead" in order to hit fast-moving targets. But the 14.5 is a whole 'nother level of awesome. The location of NSV production, in Kazakhstan, presented a problem for the Russian armed forces following the break-up of the Soviet Union. NEW-2009 Kord 12.7 mm Russian HEAVY MACHINE-GUN. retgarr. The Kord-12.7 mm heavy machine gun is a Russian design that entered service in 1998 replacing the older NSV machine gun.Externally the weapon resembles the NSV; however, the internal mechanism has been extensively reworked, changing from a horizontally pivoting breech block to a rotating bolt design. Currently, it has been mostly replaced in favour of the more modern NSV and Kord designs. Other articles where DShK-38 is discussed: small arm: Large-calibre machine guns: …the Degtyarov-Shpagin Krupnokaliberny 1938 (DShK-38), was similar, but it was gas-operated. The HMG in question was actually the rather more innocuous 1970s vintage NSV,which is in service with both Ukrainian and Russian armed forces (and several others around the world). A shaft running between the two turned the gunner's sight to the same angle. 38/46 (Czech copy of Soviet DShKM). He wields the greatsword Kelmarin battle. DShK 1938 "Dushka" General Historical Information Place of origin USSR Designer Vasily Degtyaryov and Georgi Shpagin Manufacturer Tula Produced In 1938 - present Type Heavy machine gun Effective range 2000 m Rate of Fire 600 rpm Magazine Belt magazine with 50 rounds Ammunition 12.7×108mm General Ingame Information Debut in FHSW v0.4 Used by USSR Used in vehicles - T-40 - IS-2 - IS-3 - IS-3-D-30 - IS-4 - ISU-122 - ISU-122S - ISU-122BM - ISU-130 - ISU-152 - ISU-152BM - ISU-T During World War 1, the German Army introduced the Mauser 13.2mm TuF round, a huge cartridge of more than four inches in length. They're known as DShk-Es. In fact, they were designed for slightly different purposes, and technically 14.5 mm is not and has never been a successor for 12.7. It is often claimed that the DShK could fire US/NATO .50-caliber ammunition, but the DShK can not fire 12.7x99mm ammunition but instead fires 12.7x108mm ammunition. This is a particularly easy mistake to make if the two weapons are not compared to one another. Left side view of a NSV HMG on a tripod mount. It, like its American equivalent, the M2 Browning, was used in a wide variety of roles, and moun… These mistakes can act as a red herring for those seeking to establish the objective reality on the ground, or at worst, incorrectly act as evidence of involvement by external parties. Additionally, the Kord is fitted with the 6T19 bipod as standard, and this remains in place when the weapon is also tripod mounted, acting as another identifying feature of the type. The gun was fed from a drum magazine of thirty rounds, and had a poor rate of fire. He wears a fighting girdle made from a red dragon's hide, gauntlets from a white dragon's hide, and boots from a blue dragon's hide. The Kord is a fine gun, but it's basically what the M60 is compared to something like the Vickers MG if we don't factor in reliability. DShK and DShKM The development of Russian and Chinese .50-caliber Heavy Machine Guns (HMG), like their American M2 BMG counterpart, was inspired by the German TuF 13mm HMG. DShK was designed as an effective anti-air and general purpose HMG. We therefore present our findings in hope that they will aid other researchers in the field. Header image credit: Sergei Gritts/AP. It's even light enough to fire the weapon off hand. From what I read, Russian heavy machine guns (I'm thinking specifically of the Kord, though not exclusively) are some 10kgs lighter than the M2, and have quick-change barrels; according to some, the Kord even has better accuracy and less recoil. Special thanks to Forgotten Weapons and Grzegorz Plichta. On the left, in front of the loader, was a smaller disk with several parallel metal wires. The DShK is a Soviet Russian gas-operated, flapper-locked HMG. As yet, ARES has not seen evidence of Kord HMGs in eastern Ukraine, although other recently-produced Russian arms and munitions were identified. The Kord entered service in 1998 alongside existing examples of the original NSV. Dushka and KPV machine guns mounted on trucks continue to play a major role on all sides of the civil wars in Syria and Libya, and insurgency in Iraq, and even crop up in … ... Kord heavy machine gun. This is where the DShK comes in. The DShK is seen on OB ALFEX-16-SOP "Obambo" Exoframes as a cut down assault rifle by building a custom lower receiver and modded to allow the trigger to be used instead of the spade handles. Ammunition Box DShK DShKM NSVT NSV KORD 3D model , formats include IGE, IGS, IGES, STP, ready for 3D animation and other 3D projects They are also both still in production; the NSV in Kazakhstan, Poland, and elsewhere, and the Kord in Russia. The first such gun, the Degtyaryov, Krupnokalibernyi (DK, Degtyaryov, large calibre), was built in 1930, and this gun was produced in small quantities from 1933 to 1935. Also produced in Pakistan with a Chinese license. DShK HMG @ 12.7x108mm developed in 1938 muzzle velocity: 850m/s rate of fire: 550rpm effective range: 2km weight: 34kg (60kg w/tripod) NSV "Utes" HMG @ 12.7x108mm developed in 1971 muzzle velocity: 850m/s rate of fire: 700rpm effective range: 1.8km for air targets. The system consisted of two circular disks mounted side-by-side in a common framework. Also note the attached bipod. Research for this report found no published method for differentially identifying the NSV and Kord, in the Anglophone world at least. The DShK finished its service in 1971, when it got replaced by the NSVas the stan… This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Nevertheless, it is still widely used by China, Pakistan, Romania and other countries. 아래 두영상은 양각대에 피스톨 그립을 장착한 버전. Testing approved Mikhail Kalashnikov's solution; it was found to be more reliable and cheaper to manufacture than the design of Grigory Nikitin and Yuri S… Anecdotally, this is due to the reduced recoil of the Kord’s new operating system. Required fields are marked *. Note in particular the forward portion of the receiver, with less rivets and a different rivet pattern when compared with the NSV. The Soviet Army liked the idea behind the German MG-42; a versatile weapon used on a variety of mounts to perform many different roles. Two Soviet weapon designers were asked to design one weapon each utilizing the same principle. DShK. A soldier with the Ukrainian Land Forces fires a DShKM, DShKM anti-aircraft machine gun on a T-55 tank loader's roof hatch, The M53 is an anti-aircraft mounting of four 12.7 mm heavy machine guns vz. 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